And the debate continues. The fors and against on the parking bays for parents.
In this corner we have the, “stop using your kids for a closer parking space” whingers, and in this corner we have the, “without that space I would have to crawl through the sunroof to get my kids out” whingers.
Why am I blogging about this despite the fact that it has been done to death?
Because lately I have come across articles, comments, and forums, on the parent/child parking bays and I have always had my opinions on them, but it wasn’t until now that I thought it was high time I forced those opinions onto the likes of others, so here goes.
So, when I first moved to England I had to ask my husband what the little stick figure parking spots represented. We don’t have these in America or at least not since the last time I was there.
My husband tells me that they are parking spots for parents with children. My first thought was cool, but where do the fat people park? No offence to fat people. My second thought was, the time has come for my husband and me to make some noise so I too could make proper use of those sweet spots. No pun intended.
Over time I started to witness the pure crazy these parking bays brought out in people. I now see why these do not exist in The States. The gun laws are not strict enough and bloodshed would ensue.
The reasons that have been given for why parents need a PCPB are endless. Sort of. Why do we need parent child parking bays? Because:
- If my child is crying I can get to the car quicker for their sake. Your baby will not suffer simply because they couldn’t cry in the car a minute sooner. You don’t need to get a crying baby to the car quicker because they are happy to cry anwhere, be it the shop, car park, your car, my car, and especially in a restaurant. They are versatile like that.
- Crying babies annoy people and getting my baby to the car quicker would be appreciated by these people. Oh….I see. So you having a close parking space is actually for my benefit? You’re doing me a favour? Well if I’d only known, you thoughtful little thing you. Now that I am done being sarcastic……Yes, crying babies can and do annoy people, but when your baby is crying in the shop, people are not thinking to themselves, ‘Gee, I hope that lady was fortunate enough to get a close parking space, bless her.’ Seeing a mother making her way through the car park with her crying baby is not going to have an affect on me.
- Managing more than one child is difficult, so being closer to the shop is a must. Managing more than one kids is difficult, but being closer to the shop isn’t a must. How on earth did parents of multiple children get on before these parking bays came into play? I see mums all the time that manage to get multiple small children from the back end of the car park to the front without incident. Being closer to the shop is easier and convenient, but certainly not a must.
- The child may dart out in front of traffic. Make your child the last thing you get out of the car and then hold their hand. Simples.
- I am pregnant and I get winded when I walk too far and I don’t want to have to waddle very far either. Some fat people get winded walking and they don’t want to waddle too far either, but there are not special spaces for them….yet. Again, no offence to fat people.
- I wonder if those people who wanted the stores to ”do away with the p&c parking spaces” would also mind children accidentally opening the car door too fast and denting their car though?! Oh for crying out loud. Are you bloody joking me? Reaching much! How about parking bays for adults that open car doors too fast, misjudge the space, or get caught out by the wind, thus sending their door into the car next to them? Bah!
- Space, space, and more space is needed. I say again, how in the hell did people manage before the PCPB? Seriously?!? Park at the back of the damn car park. It is not unsafe and nor is walking your children from the back of the car park to the front. Parents managed for many a year before these bloody special spaces were invented.
- The spaces are the right of the child, not the parent. People seem to be forgetting that and seeing it as a perk for the parent. It is for the safety of the child. It is not your child’s right to have an extra wide space next to the shop, FHS. I say again that many parents for many years managed to safely get their kids out of and into cars, not to mention in and out of shops via the car park without incident. Get a grip. Your vigilance is their safety.
- Because the PCPB is at the front of the shop and I need the space, but if they were at the back I would be most happy to use them, because walking is not the issue. I keep hearing this argument and yet there is mountains of room at the back of car parks. Why on earth do you need a special parking space in order for you to deem it safe enough to park there? You don’t. The back of the car park provides ample space to remove yourself, children, and all belongings. Nonetheless, a couple of Morrison’s shops have moved their PCPB to the back of the car park and even provided safe passage to the shop and yet these spaces remain empty. Interesting? I think so.
- I am lazy, tired, and fed-up. I want to park right in front of the shop because I don’t want to walk 100 yards, nay 50 yards, with my baby in tow. Just the mere thought of it makes my lady hormones tighten up and writhe with fury. Hallelujah and an Amen! Now this one I can totally relate to.
At the end of the day I don’t lose sleep over the fact that these parking bays exist and I don’t get worked up when I see anyone using them, whether they need them or not. I don’t mind parking farther away to take advantage of the ample space at the back of the car park and then walking. It is completely possible to keep your kids safe whilst walking through a car park. My daughter has made it to 9 years old without one incident in a car park. Even now, I hold her hand and keep a keen eye on the other cars in the car park in an effort to keep my daughter safe. It’s pretty simple.
I can see why the non-parent folk get annoyed at the special treatment given to people who chose to have children and then expect or want to be pandered to. I can also understand the parent folk and their reasonings behind wanting the luxury of having PCPB. It makes shopping trips with the wee ones simpler in many ways, but it stops there. These spaces are clearly not a necessity and parents could and would manage without them.
It really is sad the way some people behave over these spaces. It brings out the absolute worst in people and all for the sake of a parking space. A parking space that has people screaming, cursing, and fighting with each other. A parking space that infuriates people to the point that they are complaining on forums, to the shops, and even police.
I say, give those spots to parents who have sick or disabled children that don’t yet qualify for a blue badge and really do need the extra space and the capability to be nearer the shop. These are the parents that would truly benefit from their use.
Disclaimer: I have nothing against fat people, children, mummies, daddies, car parks, dogs, Tesco, or lady hormones.
Disclaimer 2: No animals were harmed in the making of this blog post.
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What a bunch of ridiculous and spurious reasons, none of which I’ve heard from actual parents.
The main reason for parent and child spaces is as follows:
*Car parking spaces haven’t got larger as cars have increased in size.
*You need to open a rear door fully to get a baby seat out.
*In normal spaces you often can’t open a car door fully to get a child seat in and out if the person next to you has parked over towards your side of the space.
We only drive a Zafira, which is based on the Astra floorpan, so it isn’t a wide car. never the less, with the increasingly large number of 4×4′s being driven around and the overall increase in car size*, it is at times impossible to get a baby seat out of the car in a “normal” (small) parking space.
It’s not helped by disabled people parking in the parent spaces when there are free disabled bays either. Nor is it helped by Supermarkets cramming in more spaces when they “revitalise” their stores by simply making the spaces smaller.
*a case in point: the Mark I Golf would sit between the Up! and the Polo in the current VW range. The two smallest cars VW make.
Yes Alex these are in-fact completely ridiculous reasons. However, just because you have not heard them from actual parents doesn’t make them spurious. Not one of those reasons was made up by me. ALL of those reasons were posted on forums from people moaning about people misusing the parking bays.
As I already highlighted to one commenter on my blog, cars have gotten larger and spaces have not, so I do agree with that. I agree on the second point and semi agree on the 3rd point. If someone parks like a jerk with no regard for the other car then yes it can be difficult to get the baby seat out, but I don’t think that is the norm. I managed in regular parking spaces and so do many other people.
If you want the room then park at the back of the shops car park and walk. Why is that so difficult? When the shopping is finished take the trolley to the car and unload it in the car. It isn’t as though you have to walk to the back of the car park with all the shopping in hand.
The point of the article was the stupid it brings out in people over these spaces. I have seen it myself on numerous occasions and heard stories from others. Nasty comments, arguments, middle fingers, nasty notes, vandalism, etc. all over a parking space.
There are many blogs and forums going around where people are b*tching and moaning about these spaces. A very simple solution to the problem is for people to park at the back of the car park. If it isn’t about not being willing to walk then why are people not just doing that, especially when that would provide them with more than enough space?
It looks like I either completely missed the point of the article or it was poorly explained because fundamentally, if you’re going to flamebait by referencing “moaning” and “whinging” parents, you should expect to get the back up of any reasonable parent who has a dissenting voice.
You could have easily mentioned some of the more rational and sensible reasons because you evidently are aware of them but you chose not to. Write a sensible balanced piece, get a sensible balanced reply.
None of our local supermarkets with the exception of Morrisons have their parent and baby spaces close to the entrance of the supermarket. The local Sainsbury/M&S at London Colney has them about as far away as it’s possible to get.
For starters our local Sainsbury is often at capacity at a weekend, as is the large Tesco in Watford, which is a ten minute drive. Since supermarkets often offer 2 hours free parking, a lot of people park in them rather than than using a pay & display to stroll into town in our neck of the woods. There are times when I’ve spent ten minutes driving around our local Morrisons waiting for someone to vacate ANY space, let alone a parent & toddler space.
At the end of the day the link that brought me here referenced heated debate and I’m sure that’s more than the case.
Look! Here is the bottom-line. It was a rant about a space I really give two tosses about. Have a space or don’t have a space, either way I am not losing sleep over it. Well mostly!
However, if I were to lean more to one side of the debate I would lean very very far to the ‘get rid of them argument’ and that is why the piece focused more on that.
If I am on the fence about something I will weigh out both sides, but on this one it just wasn’t the case. I feel more strongly that they should be rid of and the spaces made bigger.
I did expect some parents to take issue with my argument, but not by way of any reasonable parent with a dissenting voice. Reasonable parents with a dissenting voice I thought might be able to argue their disagreement without getting too worked up about it, which most have. I am a reasonable parent with a dissenting voice who does not see the need for these spaces and has understood the annoyance and rants some parents and non-parents have against these spaces.
I do think you missed the point of the article. It was focusing on the b*tch it brought out in people and their arrogance and entitlement over these spaces. Those are the whinging parents I refer to. Those are the parents I most certainly expect to take issue with the reference to whinging and moaning. In my article I did not group all parents of the world into the whinging and moaning category because I don’t think all parents are like that when it comes to these spaces. It is the people who get nasty over these spaces that hack me off and brought about the rant.
I absolutely could have mentioned some of the rational and sensible reasons, for which there are some, but that was not the aim of my post and despite that I have still mainly had sensible and balanced replies from people who took the rant less to heart than others, which is more or less what I expected.
Heated debate it is somewhat, but I don’t mind that. I have no problem hearing the opinions of others which is exactly why I welcomed all comments on my blog so long as they were “respectful”. Having a rant about people in general is one thing, but being nasty and aggressive to an individual is another. Mostly! Of course that is just my opinion. It is true I am not all that bad and I can be sweet and sometimes I can even write less ranty posts, but I don’t always want to write all lovely, whilst shoving butterflies and rainbows down throats.
All that said. I genuinely appreciate your comments and your taking time to reply, if only because I got your back up. Cheers
PS. If I had to drive around for 10 minutes looking for a space heads would roll. ROLL.
PSS. I know I can be very sarcastic and it isn’t always easy to turn it off completely, but I was being totally serious about appreciating your comments. Okay, I gotta go before I faff that niceness up!
I have 3 kids under 7 to get out. I need the space and the closer the better to the store as I don’t have 3 arms to hold 3 hands in car parks where people drive too fast and don’t have much care for pedestrians.
I also agree that it is physically impossible to remove a baby carrier when parked in a normal space.
Think you got it spot on with this one “flame bait”. Nothing to see here folks. Don’t feed the Troll. Move on.
Harsh, Dan! I think there’s a world of difference between someone being provocative in an article, and being a troll.
As someone who doesn’t drive, and very rarely goes in my partners car to do shopping etc, I really don’t understand what the fuss is about with this spaces. I walk my child everywhere and he’s fine.
Sometimes I even have bags of shopping, and have to walk from the shop exit to the car park exit… sadly it isn’t as exciting as say, a sequence from Indiana Jones, it’s just a 2 minute walk, where we stop, look for traffic and go on with our day.
I think people just like to moan for the sake of moaning to be honest.
It’s great to be able to walk, and we get bits and pieces from Waitrose which is just round the corner, but it’s too expensive for a big/weekly shop.
I can’t say I’ve seen much of a conversation going on via twitter or blogs about the spaces to be honest but I’m not in the loop really.
“sadly it isn’t as exciting as say, a sequence from Indiana Jones.”
But how cool would that be if it was!
I don’t think it is about any of the reasons you state above but as Alex said, that family cars have got bigger and spaces haven’t. To get a baby or child out of the car you do need to fully open the rear seat. I don’t drive but when my son and I have been given lifts that is something I have noticed.
I have been told that the spaces in the States are the same size as our PCPB as standard so perhaps that is why they don’t have special bays?
The reasons listed are just some of the reasons that are given by parents. They were not my reasons at all. I don’t dispute that cars have gotten bigger and spaces haven’t. I think it would make more sense to just make bigger spaces. For me, I often chose to park at the back of the car park here in England and in America when my daughter was with me. It gave me a bit of extra space to be able to get on with what I needed to when sorting my daughter, her things, groceries, etc; without having to look over my shoulder to ensure I wasn’t holding anyone up or in their way.
So my point was is that there is a solution if those spaces aren’t available to use or didn’t exist at all. I am not necessarily against the spaces. I just don’t think it is worth getting in a tizzy over a parking space. Use them if available and move on to another space if not.
And no, the spaces in America are not even close to being the same size as the PCPB standard over here. They spaces are a bit bigger than the ones over here, but cars are massive over there. The great big pick up trucks in particular, which are very popular. The size of the parking spaces work for the size of the cars a little better than here, but it can still be a bit of a squeeze at times. What is bigger is the length you get from back to back rows of spaces. There is much more room to back a car out of a space with ease in one go, unless you are a really terrible driver
Cars have really always been big in America, so the spaces are bigger because of that. Big cars over here hasn’t always been the case and as the cars got bigger the spaces stayed the same. Bigger spaces all round I say.
I’m surprised you state that there are no parent & baby spaces in the US – I’ve seen photos of US bloggers by the sign posts in the supermarket car parks. (Naomi of Rockstar Diaries springs to mind first).
Regardless of whether there ‘should’ be the spaces in supermarket carparks, it is nice to know when you have a new baby that you can park somewhere you can have a little space around the car to get the door open wide enough to get the car seat in and out. And, I would imagine, with littles that walk, to know that there is a little safety space to alert other drivers to the presence of children.
That said, we’ve just sold our car, as we live in London & don’t need it. online shopping and picking up daily essentials is much easier
What I said was they didn’t have these spaces when I was living in the States, so when I moved over here I had no idea what they were for.
The first one I saw had no sign indicating what they were for as it was just stick figures.
I was told by my cousin yesterday that parent child parking bays had been trialed in the state where she lived not long ago, but it had not long after been removed. Too many rows over it and the shop felt it wasn’t worth it.
It really isn’t the spaces I have a problem with, but the nasty attitudes that come about over these spaces when people feel their ‘space’ has been violated.
Oh…..I did just checkout the RD blog and I’ll be darned. Time to update my blog post me thinks
and maybe get more updates from my family about all the new happs in America since I left.
I don’t really care where the spaces are, it’s the fact that it’d be nice to be able to park nicely in the middle of spaces as I do, and still return to my space to be able to get both myself and my son into the car using the doors that we need to.
In some Asda’s the parent & child spaces are further away from the store – fine, as it means they don’t get filled with other people who don’t have to get children in and out of car seats. It also would mean that people who have children who aren’t with them at the time wouldn’t bother using the spaces.
I have to admit though that when my mum took me to the supermarket when I had my leg in plaster, we had to use the parent & child spaces as although I was essentially ‘disabled’ but obviously it was temporary and I didn’t need a blue badge, we had to open the door as far as possible to be able to get my straight leg out of the car! As she said, we were parent & child.
Crappy parkers…..ah…..another story
Must get on that.
Parking bays farther away from the shop definitely don’t seem to cause the raucous that the front of the shop ones do.
Thx for reading my post and commenting.
I don’t personally see any great need for special spaces for parents and toddlers – I try not to use them as I’m sure there are others who value them more than I do.
When Flea was born, we drove a 4×4 and if there wasn’t a special space, we parked a little further away – I never managed not to get her into the car, one way or another.
Actually, in those days, I didn’t need a special, wide space for my baby – it was for the blinkin’ pushchair! Instrument of evil, it was…
Cyber five! And yes…..the pushchair, work of the devil.
I am pregnant and I get winded when I walk too far and I don’t want to have to waddle very far either? – You are happy to waddle through the shop, so another 20 meters from car to store won’t hurt, will they? Pregnancy is not an illness…
I so meant to mention that point in that reply and completely forgot, so thank you.
Pregnancy is not an illness. But a lot of pregnant women do develop illnesses during their pregnancy which can make it difficult to walk, prone to fainting etc.
Ooh, I’ve been an abuse throwing note writing driver so I suppose I should at least try and defend my uncharacteristic torrents…
The spaces are helpful, not essential, but helpful all the same.
With a double buggy and two toddlers mid tantrum it’s as much about making my life a little easier as it about protecting the bodywork of the shiny 4×4 parked next to me.
It’s like lots of things in life, we coped before we had them but that’s no reason to do away with them. Shopping trolleys with a child seat, cycle lanes, baby changing facilities…
Its definitely not a divine right for a parent to park, nor should they be within spitting distance of the shops, but isn’t it just about helping someone who may appreciate that little help?
My occasional rant is directed at people who put their own laziness ahead of anyone else in society. Well, that and the fact I’ve probably had a bad day and an unexpected trip to a supermarket hasn’t made me any more amenable … I’m not helping my own argument here…
I agree the spaces are helpful. Keeping shiny 4×4 next to you free from body damage is a major plus.
We definitely coped before a lot of things. Much agreed on that and I am not saying we turn back the clocks and do away with all those things, but people are not ‘fighting’ over cycle lanes, child seats, baby changing facilities.
I am all about helping someone who needs help. There is nothing wrong with providing helpful courtesies. I just don’t think it is on when people start becoming nasty and entitled to these courtesies. Yelling at a frail, disabled, elderly man, because he parks in a PCPB just seems all sorts of wrong to me! So, I am not against them I just think people need to calmer down when it comes to them and that was the focus of my article.
I must say that laziness in people when it comes to these spaces takes a bit of a biscuit too.
I will agree that a bad day coupled with an unexpected trip to the supermarket with kids in tow is enough to set anyone off
Blogged on this one too and devised a punishment for people who don’t need to park in these spaces, but do.
Am I allowed to put link on here ? http://www.allotmentmum.co.uk/get-out-of-my-space/
I must say I do use them when I can, but it is more because I have a disabled son, he is very hard to get out of a car in a standard space, we do have a blue badge but more often than not these are not available or I am made to feel awful by the older generation when I park in blue badge zones.
I if none are available will park further away to get him out and then at 5ft1 with a back injury carry my 4yo disabled son to the supermarket, I am not complaining thats life just get on with it, it’s not hard.
I do wish it was like in America though (moms american) they have bigger spaces so this is not a problem, major issue here in the UK – I am afraid to say I have heard parents make some of these stupid comments x
I have twins and can honestly say it is IMPOSSIBLE to find a space where I can open the doors wide enough BOTH sides to fit both car seats out the door. The number of times I’ve had to go home because I couldn’t get the kids out of the car in places without baby spaces, is unreal.
If with my husband, I can get both babies out and hold them and then he can drive into a space. and vice versus when we are leaving – but to do that, we have to hold up all the traffic for a good few minutes! If I’m on my own and somebody parks too close to my car in a normal space… I’m totally f***ed because I can’t get the babies in their car seats back in the car. So am I supposed to never go food shopping again? or am I supposed to wait an hour while the cars either side of me finish their shopping? I’m sure as hell not about to put a baby down on the ground in a car park!
When you have infant twins, mother and baby spaces are essential.
Additionally when I was pregnant, I had a condition called SPD. It means you can’t walk without being in agony. You are not entitled to a disability badge for it, but walking is both difficult and painful, so I used parent and baby spaces while pregnant as if I didn’t, I don’t think I’d have made it as far as the doors without collapsing. I would then have to lean on a trolley to get me painfully but safely round the shop. SPD is quite common in pregnant women and I think that is one of the reasons pregnant women are entitled to use those spaces – not because they are out of breath!
I do however, disagree completely with people who use mother & baby spaces for children old enough to get out of the car by themselves and I think they should be only for children under 5. I will gladly scream shout and swear at the athletic white van men who use the spaces while they RUN in to get some fags!
I can’t see any reasons for doing away with these spaces – they don’t do any harm! And for a lot of people with tiny infants, they are a necessity.
I would jokingly say “it’s one of the small perks of the job”, and for something which is so contentious it’s amazing how many non-”parent with toddlers” like using them!
I’m ok with the general principles of both sides, but isn’t the point that those shops that provide them are trying to provide better levels of customer service- spaces are neither mandatory nor provided everywhere.
With a three year old, yes, it’s neither here nor there.
With twins the spaces have been a great convenience. I hated shopping with three under-2′s, just that little bit of having the right trolley nearby, of not having to worry about my rubbish parking, denting cars due to having to swing the car door to get the seat out (or even the baby), and yes, just like ‘pay at pump’ for fuel, just that little bit of time saved (saving people from my screaming children).
I would guess, retailers will pander to the customers who spend most, and what better than a loyal family base?
Every week me & my husband take our son (4 months now) and his elderly Nan shopping. Every week we struggle to find a disabled/parent &child car parking spot. This is not because we want to be closer to the store, but because his Nan is in a wheelchair. We need the additional space to help get her in and out the car. We couldn’t care less if it was at the front or back of the car park but as long as we get the space we are happy.
When walking past the disabled/parent and child bays we often see people “waiting” to pick someone up (obviously without children or a disability and sometimes without a car parking ticket). I couldn’t care less if your only going to be 5 minutes, we need the space for the wheelchair. We would never dream of using up a space if we didn’t need it.
During late pregnancy I parked at the very back of the car park to ensure no one would park next to me as I wouldn’t have been able to get back into my car with a large bump. When my daughter was born and was young enough to be taken around the supermarket in her carseat I would use the PCPS because they allowed me to open the car door far enough to get the seat out, and were close to the store. This was important to me as she was born in early January, and I didn’t fancy carrying a car seat (which is pretty difficult to do as they aren’t super light – would be impossible after a c-section for example, and you wouldn’t find car seat carrying supermarket trolleys anywhere but by the PCPS or the entrance to the store) while trying to hold an umbrella over it in the wind, rain, and snow. If I couldn’t have been that close to the store in those early days I would have just gone home.
Now she is older I frequently park at the back of the carpark and carry her to the store. Some supermarkets are not even worth trying to get a PCPS as they are abused so much and there’s so much rage surrounding them. It’s easier to just walk. I don’t feel I ‘need’ the space though now she is 20 months old. I don’t need to get a car seat out, or back in, so I don’t need to really worry about if someone is going to park too close to me.
I think a lot of the anger surrounding PCPS is when people with much older children use them, or people with no children at all. They really should be for parents of young babies, or children with additional needs, not just ‘parent and child’. I called a woman out once who parked next to me in a PCPS with her 16 year old daughter and got out to go shopping. “Well, she is my child.”
I’m going against the grain here, but I’ve ALWAYS pointed out to people that parent and child spaces are a courtesy – not a God-given right.
And even after having two kids, I believe this. At one point, I had a new baby and a son in the midst of the terrible twos. But you can’t ask for/expect any special treatment, because you’ve made a life choice.
It still amazes me how parents get stroppy about not getting a space right outside the supermarket door.
I can’t believe someone is complaining about disabled people parking in PCPS!
They are DISABLED, for Christ’s sake. They truly need the convenience of being closer. What happened to good manners and giving something up for someone less fortunate than you?
We’re discussing a luxury that our parents never had – and they got by.
Most arguments for these spaces are based on pure laziness and a false sense of entitlement.
End of sermon *steps down from soapbox and braces self*
The whole premise of this article seems to be “although they are helpful, we shouldn’t have them because people get angry”
Well, sorry, but that’s just some pretty poor reasoning, IMHO.
They are extremely useful and I’ll always use them were I can. Wider spaces, closer to the shop…. perfect. When my kids are grown up a bit, (currently 4 months and 23 months) I’ll stop using them, to make sure there a spaces free for those with younger kids.
There are many things in life we do for the benefit of others in society. Opening doors for elderly people, or those with bags etc, give up seats on public transport for the elderly, the disabled, pregnant etc.
Could they cope without this help…. yes, of course, otherwise they wouldn’t be going out at all. Can parents cope without these spaces…. yes, of course.
Should we stop doing these things because there are a few selfish people about who don’t put others needs before their own?
No…. defiantly not
I’m quite surprised at this. I have a problem with people using the disabled spaces, but never the parent/child ones. I am ever grateful that they were around when I took possession of my kids, 3 very unruly, no sense under 4′s who needed wrist straps as they had no idea how to act around cars.
I’ve never, ever seen anyone arguing over a parent/child space. I really don’t understand this post at all. I thought us Aberdonians were meant to be the grouchy ones.
Or just shop online and get your food delivered! Problem solved.